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Fiona Shaw tells Frances Byrnes of how she felt an affinity with her PhD subject — the poet, Elizabeth Bishop — but never anticipated being a writer herself until severe emotions forced something out of her.

‘Not so much touch-typing as hammer-throwing; what that did for my finger joints I am only now beginning to find out.’